Gloomy Sunday - Song leading to suicide

[ztife]

There is this song called Gloomy sunday which people claimed led people to suicide. Its a pretty old song, and it was banned in many places for its link to suicides. Does anybody know anything or believe this?

http://www.snopes.com/music/songs/gloomy.htm

[kikasa]

actually there is a thread long time ago at Entertainment section abt this thing long time ago.... anyway, this is a super old song (dating back to pre-world war 2 period) and was recorded in hungarian language back then and had more impact back then due to the world affairs that time.... and was sang by Sarah Brightman recently....The original song was written in 1933 by two Hungarians, Rezso Seress (music) and Laszlo Javor (lyrics), and consisted of the two stanza only. It seems to refer to the horrors of a war at the end. Probably refering to "The Great War" as it was known at that time. It was written twice.... and legend said to hav caused alot of suicide which caused the then ruling government to ban the song completely. These are the translation of the song in order, the first and second:

1st Version:

On a sad Sunday with a hundred white flowers,
I was waiting for you my dearest with a prayer.
A Sunday morning, chasing after my dreams,
The carriage of my sorrow returned to me without you.
It is since then that my Sundays have been forever sad ...

Sad Sunday

This last Sunday, my darling please come to me
There'll be a priest, a coffin, a catafalque and a winding-sheet.
There'll be flowers for you, flowers and a coffin,
Under the blossoming trees it will be my last journey.
My eyes will be open, so that I could see you for a last time,
Don't be afraid of my eyes, I'll be blessing you in your death ...

The last Sunday.

2nd Version:

It is autumn and the leaves are falling,
All love has died on earth.
The wind is weeping with sorrowful tears,
My heart will never hope for a new spring again.
My tears and my sorrows are all in vain,
People are heartless, greedy and wicked ...

Love has died!

The world has come to its end, hope has ceased to have a meaning
Cities are being wiped out,
Meadows are colored red with human blood,
There are dead people on the streets everywhere.
I will say another quiet prayer:
People are sinners, Lord, they make mistakes ...

The world has ended!

However it was edited again by adding another stanza which is to prevent more suicides by letting them know that, it's all but a dream:

Dreaming
I was only dreaming
I wake and I find you asleep
In the deep of my heart dear
Darling I hope
That my dream never haunted you
My heart is telling you
How much I wanted you
Gloomy Sunday
Gloomy Sunday

[bubu]

Problems lies with the lyrics or rythem :confused: I DLed the song b4 but didnt listen :nervous:

[kikasa]

depends on how a person listened to it lor.... I listened to the Sarah Brightman version only.... It's quite jazzy altho listened to the music, it did played on human feelings accompanied by those depressing lyrics..... ;-)

[ztife]

I think the song happen to stumble onto a certain "thing" that triggered the human brain to be depress? Sort of like how sometimes people get so angry and out of control.

[Cleopatra]

depends on how a person listened to it lor.... I listened to the Sarah Brightman version only.... It's quite jazzy altho listened to the music, it did played on human feelings accompanied by those depressing lyrics..... ;-)
yea....is rather depressing but dun think to the extent tat will lead to suicidal.

[kikasa]

I think the song happen to stumble onto a certain "thing" that triggered the human brain to be depress? Sort of like how sometimes people get so angry and out of control.

anyway, i believed it's some over-reacted by the government as hungary even till now had one of the highest suicide rates in the world.... which i also dun think there is any different back then as the song is just some normal jazzy song with sad lyrics that all ;-)

[nova19]

i listened to the Sarah Brightman's version also bo dai ji. yeah prob due to the world war that triggered a series of suicides. even the composer's ex gf also committed suicide after listening to the song.

got taiwanese prog say the name as 'Black Sunday'. scared ba...

[mickey]

Actually..I hv a non-friction book abt the supernatural matters which ever mentioned abt tis song which result in highest suicide..It earn d infamous reputation cos whenever there is a suicide..Tis song will happened to play around

[dolcebaby]

hmm sounds abit "eerie" a simple lyrics like the above can lead to suicide. and wat else.. life is fragile afterall. heard about alot of songs which are either santanic (hotel california) or bands that are santanic (rumoured: Pet Shop Boys).. wonder how many of these are true..

[mickey]

Hm..last time, I am fan of Pet shop boys..Their music is okie..but rather another pop group called depeche mode..'Black celebration' etc..nice song although

[kikasa]

hmm sounds abit "eerie" a simple lyrics like the above can lead to suicide. and wat else.. life is fragile afterall. heard about alot of songs which are either santanic (hotel california) or bands that are santanic (rumoured: Pet Shop Boys).. wonder how many of these are true..

Hotel California is just an urban legend according to a book i flip thru at TRL.... There is a rumours saying that Eagles were satan worshippers and real "Hotel California" is a church abandoned by christians to be taken over by occults group(most probably satanist). It was said that if u plays it backward, u can hear some wierd chanting/sound coming out from the speakers....The below are some quotation comin a website:

Origins: The Eagles' 1976 album "Hotel California" has sold more than 16 million copies, spawned a best-record Grammy, and is regarded by numerous rock critics as one of the best albums ever. Its title track, the haunting "Hotel California" continues to entrance listeners even though during its heydey the song was on the charts for only nineteen weeks and in the number one spot for only one.

Because its lyrics contain an ominous undercurrent, many have appeased their sense of disquiet by finding in the words literal and figurative meanings that just aren't there. Theories abound as to what the song means. Some see the devil in the lyrics. Others see a madhouse.

Some believe the song was written about a real inn bearing that name. Though there is a Hotel California in Todos Santos, a town on Mexico's Baja California peninsula, its relation to the song begins and ends with the coincidence of a shared name. None of the Eagles stayed there, let alone wrote music there. Nor did they have this building in mind when they set down the lyrics to this popular song.

Those who persist in believing the song must be named after an actual building have been known to assert "Hotel California" was the nickname of the Camarillo State Hospital, a state-run psychiatric hospital near Los Angeles which housed thousands of patients across its sixty-year history before closing in 1997. To them, the lyrics seem to fit what a mentally disturbed person would experience upon incarceration in a long-term care facility. The imagery of the song is explained as that person's hallucinations juxtaposed against moments of startling clarity as he realizes where he is.

However, by far the most common theme to surface in Hotel California rumors is one that links the song to devil worship. The lyrics (which speak of trying to "kill the Beast" and not having had "that spirit here since 1969") form the bedrock of the various Satan-related theories, but the belief is also fed by the album design. The inner cover is a photograph of people in a courtyard of a Spanish-looking inn. In a balcony above them looms a shadowy figure with arms spread. Many who look at that photo see Anton LaVey, leader of the Church of Satan, and interpret the spread arms as his welcoming the populace below into Satan's trap. That the people in the picture seem unaware of the gleefully evil figure standing above them only adds to the implicit horror of the scene — the innocents below are oblivious to their having wandered into the house of the Devil.

It's wonderful imagery. But it doesn't hold up. The shadowy figure was a woman hired for the photo shoot.

When it comes to finding Satan in this song, over the years we've heard the following:

The song is a tribute to the place where the Satanic Bible was written.

Devil worshippers bought an old church and rechristened "the Hotel California."

Some or all of the Eagles were either heavily involved with the occult or were disciples of LaVey.

All the album photographs were taken in and around a building that used by Anton LaVey's headquarters for his Church of Satan.

In California the 'Church of Satan' is registered under the name 'Hotel California.'
Another oddly persistent set of rumors centers on the photos used for the album. On the cover was the image of the approach to a Spanish mission-style hotel at sunset. Inside was the courtyard scene described above, and on its back was a photo of a black man leaning on a mop in the hotel's lobby. Besides the "Anton LaVey standing on the balcony" whisper, the presence of certain figures in some photos but not in others is attributed to their being ghosts whose spirits were accidentally captured on film, with the presumption being these were guests of the hotel who expired there. Also, the janitor leaning on a mop in the lobby photo has been rumored to be the propped-up corpse of a dead man (shades of Elmer McCurdy, that). In a particularly creepy extension of that rumor, he was murdered by LaVey as a human sacrifice or by the band members.

[kikasa]

Hm..last time, I am fan of Pet shop boys..Their music is okie..but rather another pop group called depeche mode..'Black celebration' etc..nice song although

not just pet shop boys or depeche mode....quite a few others as well. Bands/Grp such as Metallica etc....

There is one song that is had a very strong satanic links. It is called Maybe Tomorrow by Smooch. The lyrics are as follows. It was said and confirmed by some that when u start hearing this song, u cannot get it out out your head eventhough the music and lyrics had nothing special about it and clearly "praising satan" eventho it's not directly mentioned it.

Synthesiser stuff

There's a voice that keeps on calling me
Down the road, that's where I'll always be.
Every stop I make, I make a new friend,
Can't stay for long, just turn around and I'm gone again

Maybe tomorrow, I'll want to settle down,
Until tomorrow, I'll just keep moving on.

Down this road that never seems to end,
Where new adventure lies just around the bend.
So if you want to drive me for a while,
Just grab your hat, come travel light, that's hobo style.

Maybe tomorrow I'll want to settle down,
Until tomorrow, the whole world is my home.

So if you want to join me for a while,
Just grab your hat, come travel light, that's hobo style

Maybe tomorrow, I'll want to settle down,
Until tomorrow, I'll just keep moving on.

Synthesiser riff

Maybe tomorrow, I'll want to settle down,
Until tomorrow, I'll just keep moving on.

There's a world that's waiting to unfold,
A brand new tale no-one has ever told.
We've journeyed far far and know it wont be long;
We're almost there, and we've paid our fare with our hobo song.

Maybe tomorrow, I'll want to settle down,
Until tomorrow, I'll just keep moving on.

So if you want to join me for a while,
Just grab your hat, come travel light, that's hobo style.

Maybe tomorrow, I'll find what I call home,
Until tomorrow, you know I'm free to roam.

Synthesiser changy noise

For those brave can go listen to it and experience it yourself

Scooch - Maybe Tomorrow (The Littlest Hobo Theme) (http://www.radiac.net/downloads/mp3s/Scooch%20-%20Maybe%20Tomorrow%20(The%20Littlest%20Hobo%20The me).mp3)

[forever-urs]

eerr.the lyrics seems fine to mi leh... i mean, y would a song like this make ppl want to committ suicide? or isit that they feel that the world is meaningless without love or wat? umm... realli incredible. such a song can make ppl commiit suicide.

[dolcebaby]

Hm..last time, I am fan of Pet shop boys..Their music is okie..but rather another pop group called depeche mode..'Black celebration' etc..nice song although


depeche mode!! YAY! i got buy that album. hehe though it's not my generation's song... but i like the song - somebody! wonderful lyrics..

anyway, about the hotel california, i heard it from my friend that u haf to read it backwards. but i dun dare. lol.

[cyndishi]

depeche mode!! YAY! i got buy that album. hehe though it's not my generation's song... but i like the song - somebody! wonderful lyrics..

anyway, about the hotel california, i heard it from my friend that u haf to read it backwards. but i dun dare. lol.

ya heard that too.
i also don dare.
they say what u can only read what satan said by reading it backwards.
AHHH!! :nervous:

[gordonzz]

led zepplin - stairway to heaven

got a webby last time let you hear the backwards.. the lyics became so santanic.. heard the who (dono the name la) who wrote the lyrics broke down when he heard the news.. anyway i does and DO belive that music can affect someone's mood alot..

[boyishsagittarius]

no intention of digging this up but very interested
how you listen to a song backward ??
use ur cd player ??

[gordonzz]

no intention of digging this up but very interested
how you listen to a song backward ??
use ur cd player ??

Using software to play it backwards i guess

[mathslover]

What about a person who hasn't the faintest idea about Satan? Would he be affected since he apparently won't be able to link the meanings of any lyrics to Satan (whom he does not know about)?

Its just like me listening to say, a Spanish song. I do not understand Spanish at all so its meaning won't affect me.

If that song affects almost everyone, then its not the lyrics but the music. Which could explain why when we read them (the lyrics in words) up here we don't feel a thing.

[thermophile]

You can mentally bend the words of anything played backwards to give evil messages. This paranoia over the effects of 'subliminal messages' is BS. Here's one from Barney the Purple Dinosaur, whom I admit isn't exactly the purest of characters to begin with anyway. Then again, lots of kids watch him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pC3ih0xw9ck&feature=related